[Argentina] Eva Perón (Evita) stamp (Jul 26)
Nonethewiser
This one is a bit last minute and I'm not from Argentina, so bear with me here.
Eva Perón
(or Evita
) was an Argentine actress, politician, activist, and philanthropist who served as First Lady of Argentina from June 1946 until her death in July 1952, as the wife of Argentine President Juan Domingo Perón.Evita is celebrated in her home country for her passion and commitment to the working class in Argentinian politics.
By the late 20th century,
Eva Perón
had become the subject of numerous articles, books, stage plays, and musicals around the world. The most successful rendering of Eva Perón
's life has been the musical production Evita by Andrew Lloyd Webber, cementing her status as the popular culture icon. Millions of people all around the world know and love the song "Don't Cry for Me Argentina" performed by Madonna for the movie version of the musical "Evita".Although not a government holiday, the anniversary of
Eva Perón
's death is marked by many Argentines each year. Additionally, Eva Perón
has been featured on Argentine coins, and a form of Argentine currency called "Evitas" was named in her honour.Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, the first woman elected president of Argentina, claims that women of her generation owe a debt to Eva for "her example of passion and combativeness".
26 July 2022
will mark 70 years since her untimely death, and I think the Slowly community will appreciate this stamp.Log In
Vic.Ar
No creería que sea lo mejor debido a, bueno, todo.
Piadme
Cuestionable, he aquí las palabras de Eva Perón...
EL PASO DE LO SUBLIME A LO RIDÍCULO
Confieso que el día que me vi ante la posibilidad del camino "feminista" me dio un poco de miedo.
¿Qué podía hacer yo, humilde mujer del pueblo, allí donde otras mujeres, más preparadas que yo, habían fracasado rotundamente?
¿Caer en el ridículo? ¿Integrar el núcleo de mujeres resentidas con la mujer y con el hombre, como ha ocurrido con innumerables líderes feministas?
Ni era soltera entrada en años, ni era tan fea por otra parte como para ocupar un puesto así... que, por lo general, en el mundo, desde las feministas inglesas hasta aquí, pertenece, casi con exclusivo derecho, a las mujeres de ese tipo... mujeres cuya primera vocación debió ser indudablemente la de hombres.
¡Y así orientaron los movimientos que ellas condujeron!
Parecían estar dominadas por el despecho de no haber nacido hombres, más que por el orgullo de ser mujeres.
Creían entonces que era una desgracia ser mujeres... Resentidas con las mujeres porque no querían dejar de serlo y resentidas con los hombres porque no las dejaban ser como ellos, las "feministas", la inmensa mayoría de las feministas del mundo en cuanto me es conocido, constituían una rara especie de mujeres... ¡que no me pareció nunca mujer!
Y yo no me sentía muy dispuesta a parecerme a ellas.
[...]
Luuuli
Mmmm debatible..…. Muyy controversial.
tizi.v
tizi.v
Personalmente, creo que deberíamos excluir a políticos de las estampillas y de cualquier cosa de cara al mundo.
Hay muchas personalidades históricas que nos unen y no causan división entre Argentinos que valen mas la pena homenajear. San Martin, Belgrano, Sarmiento.
En lugar de Evita por que nadie habla de Alicia Moreau de Justo. Quien si peleo por el voto femenino mucho tiempo antes.
agos.tina
tizi.v: Sarmiento era un político y también es polémico. Amiga no te la tires de parcial
reincidente
agos.tina: Rebajar o invalidar a Sarmiento como figura histórica fundacional de la república por, por ejemplo, sus posturas "polémicas" (entre comillas porque en realidad no hay polémica posible: objetivamente era racista y el 100% de nosotros lo sabemos en el contexto de nuestra sociedad actual) para con los pueblos originarios de Argentina, es cuanto menos un acto de moralina bastante poco productivo teniendo en cuenta que estamos hablando de uno de los padres de la educación en el país y, terminantemente, de una persona que se murió hace ya casi dos siglos. Las contribuciones históricas positivas de figuras todavía bastante recientes y controversiales como Evita pueden estar en tela de juicio de forma mucho más prominente, en cambio, quién puede cuestionar los aportes indispensables de próceres como éste o sus pares de la época? No por nada el día del maestro se celebra el día del fallecimiento de Sarmiento, para darle una mejor magnitud al asunto.
Es bastante más parcial y sensato recaer en la conmemoración y representación de quienes sentaron las bases para que el país terminantemente empezara a funcionar antes que tender a las figuras políticas recientes en general (bastante más teniendo en cuenta las décadas ininterrumpidas de degradación que estaría arrastrando el país, me parece).
josecxrnxlx
of course evita should have her slowly stamp, it's the most important woman figure on argentina's history.
you can argue all you want, but it's true. i don't deny juana azurduy, alicia moreau de justo, alfonsina storni or any relevant female figure. they're really important and the paved the way a lot. but evita's legacy is palpable yet to this very day and she's an important name on the women's right to vote and left a profound mark on pop culture.
Shiro from Slowly
For now, we will only issue stamps for specific public figures: 1. with international days or commemorative days designated by the United Nations or other international organizations (global release); 2. with commemorative days or public holidays designated by the local government or credible organizations (regional release).
dsmark
Oh no.. as an argentinian this would be THE LAST of my picks. There are plenty of iconic women to pick in our history, with much more meaning and story, such as Juana Azurduy or Martina Silva de Gurruchaga. This last one actually had a key role in our independency fight. But please, not Evita.. the symbol of a convicted ex president such as Cristina Fernandez (that speaks for itself).
Yann2
Nonethewiser wrote :
"26 July 2022 will mark 70 years since her untimely death"
And just this morning I came across a disturbing article, related to that. Being published by the BBC, I think it has been checked, although it's based on witness accounts and not on the normal historical record.
Really sad ending, poor Evita. 😥❤
Nonethewiser
Yann2: oh dear god... 😢
a-buttered-toast
Not Argentinian, but isn't she seen as a pretty controversial figure, and Evita was also controversial because it spun her in a purely sympathetic light without really acknowledging that things that her husband and family did are seen by some people as being a little .... authoritarian. I know that no public figure is universally beloved, but my understanding is that people in Argentina have rather divided opinions about her, and that should at least be recognized.
Yann2
a-buttered-toast: I found a well written article here discussing the controversial aspects of Evita, from the point of view of a non-Argentinian historian.
Including it here for reference.
Nonethewiser
a-buttered-toast: For this reason I would have never suggested a stamp with the husband... still, I was hoping that Evita herself wasn't as controversial.
It's a bit difficult to understand from Google searches how a nation feels about a certain figure. I saw that people in Argentina do not like the musical or the movie, but Evita herself seems to be nearly sacred.
a-buttered-toast
Nonethewiser: From what I've seen, it seems as though people still have polarized opinions on her, some seeing her as a saint and martyr, and some seeing her as having played to the people for political gain. I'm not trying to shoot down your idea - I just think that potentially there is a lot of nuance and background that people outside of Argentina may not be aware of.
InfiniteSleep
Nonethewiser: A bit late, but I'm an Argentinan, and to be honest, Eva is indeed a controversial figure here.
I really don't want to get into politics (especially not here), but long story short is, you either loved her or hated her.
Honestly, I don't believe that people who were also political figures should be put in the stamps, because at the end of the day, I feel that would create unnecessary conflict between the community (maybe not so much with the rest of the world, but I'm pretty sure that some Argentinans would feel uncomfortable by it, like in my case), and it's not really worth it to lose users only because of these stamps.
Nonethewiser
InfiniteSleep: thank you for sharing this! I agree and somewhat regret suggesting this stamp.
On the other hand, Slowly seems to be very fond of controversial figures lately - issuing stamps with revolutionary figures and war generals. We can disagree, but they will do what they want in the end. :(
InfiniteSleep
Nonethewiser: It's alright! And yeah, I realized that Slowly has been doing that lately. I feel like as a site whose purpose (in theory) is to allow people from different cultural backgrounds to exchange letters with each other, they should remain as neutral as possible (which is a bit difficult to achieve, but nonetheless I believe it is possible). Looking at it from a bussiness point of view makes sense, after all -you don't really want to lose users because you've decided to add controversial figures to your stamps-.
Nonethewiser
InfiniteSleep: I absolutely agree. From a business point of view, the easiest way would have been to give users what they actually want. #1 stamp category on this site was Mythology/Folklore with numerous ideas for presented for different countries and regions. This subject is also perfectly neutral and harmless if you don't mix modern religions into it. I myself invested quite a bit of time and effort into those proposals. However, Slowly issued a statement that they won't be doing any of that and decided to keep throwing Sports stamps at us (which are favoured by about 10% of the user-base). I don't mean to sound negative and I think that this site had a lot of potential at the beginning, but currently we are back at where we started - Slowly making their own decisions for their own reasons.
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